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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Yes, they are called MEXICANS! >In california state government, Cal Trans for instance, on >touring their 9 story building, (about half the desks empty >but with coffee cups full of two day old coffee)… I met very >latino’s. >The staff population was close to 100% american, blacks and >whites on the first floor public offices. >The 12 stories above at a guess was close to 100% asian, >philipino, korean and chinese, most not fluent in english, >some couldnt understand my questions at all,      Those will >retire after 20 years at around 35,000 dollars a year…in 10 >more years they can retire at 60,000 to 100,000 dollars a >year. >(the current average american retirement after 45 yearsm at >age 65 averages 900 dollars a month…. parking tickets in SF >calif are 85 dollars… the last meter maid that ticketed me >didnt speak english) >I waiting outside of the Marin county corporate offices >yesterday at shift change…  about 20 chinese guys passed me >on their way out, they could have been native americans but I >doubt it… a few were speaking mandarin….only two or three >obvious americans passed me, in suits they looked like >attorneys. >Government is going broke… the middle class tax base is >collapsing for 5 years now, but even before that govt was >hiring green card people predominantly it appears. >Phil Scott

        Why are  you so interested  in the language you hear spoken? Thumper – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>> I’m surprised to still see these people showing up in >>> Immigration fora >>> claiming the Illegals and other 3rd-World Stormtroopers >>> are here to >>> take jobs Americans don’t want. That is straight-up >>> bullshit for all >>> of us old enough to remember our communities before >>> Illegals and >>> visa-hires showed up, that’s something we personally know >>> not to be >>> the case. Those readers who are younger should engage >>> their >>> imaginations a little bit and realize that Americans have >>> always done >>> every sort of job. The only time they could not afford to >>> do them was >>> during periods of, you guessed it, high immigration. You >>> stop the >>> immigration, wages float back up, and Americans come in to >>> get them. >>> That’s how it’s worked for over 200 years. >>> The only practical effect of supporting Illegals and visa >>> workers is >>> to lower wages and make all of us poorer. There IS no >>> benefit. It’s as >>> simple as that. Persons who come on here talking like >>> libertarian >>> business wonks, making light of other people’s >>> unemployment or reduced >>> incomes, well, they are just bad apples. >>> Here is an interesting report from an APR frontpage link: >>> http://www.gopusa.com/news/2005/november/1123_immigration_ad.shtml >>> Foreign Workers Taking Jobs Americans Want, Group’s Ad >>> Says >>> By Melanie Hunter >>> CNSNews.com Senior Editor >>> November 23, 2005 >>> (CNSNews.com) — A coalition of trade groups has launched >>> a television >>> ad campaign to address immigration and the notion that >>> "foreign >>> workers do jobs Americans won’t do." >>> The Coalition for the Future American Worker (CFAW) said >>> its campaign >>> is directed at President Bush and features blue-collar and >>> service >>> employees urging the president to cut the number of >>> foreign workers >>> allowed to enter the country. Bush has praised foreign >>> labor for >>> taking jobs Americans won’t do, but that’s a fallacy, the >>> group said. >>> "This public education campaign is long overdue. Hardly >>> anybody is >>> standing up for American workers and blue-collar families >>> any more," >>> said CFAW spokesman Roy Beck. >>> "Yet, they are the ones disproportionately affected by >>> these >>> uninhibited flows of foreign labor. Americans’ wages are >>> being >>> depressed, their jobs are being taken and they’re helpless >>> to do much >>> about it," Beck added. >>> In the commercial’s opening scene, an unemployed man is >>> sitting on the >>> back steps of a middle-class home, saying "President Bush >>> says foreign >>> workers do jobs Americans won’t do. Mr. President, I’ll do >>> that job." >>> Then the words "12 million Americans can’t find a full >>> time job" are >>> featured on the screen. >>> A hotel worker then tells Bush "if immigration increases, >>> we’ll have >>> more foreign workers who will work for next to nothing. I >>> need to make >>> enough to feed my family." That is followed by a screen >>> saying that >>> foreign workers depress U.S. wages. The ad offers >>> "educational facts >>> throughout." >>> According to Beck, all the jobs that are usually filled in >>> high >>> numbers by foreigners were recently filled by Americans. >>> "The massive influx of foreign workers has collapsed one >>> occupation >>> after another so that they no longer provide middle-class >>> wages and >>> benefits," Beck said. >>> For example, he said the meat packing industry once paid >>> "good middle >>> class wages" but after discovering that there is "an >>> endless supply" >>> of foreigners to fill those jobs, the industry has >>> "dramatically" cut >>> wages and safety conditions. >>> "It’s really a shame. Our misguided immigration policies >>> are causing >>> American workers to lose wages and eventually their jobs," >>> Beck said. >>> "The size of the flow of foreign workers into this country >>> is >>> unprecedented and undermining our entire middle-class >>> society." >>> I suggest emailing this article to your friends. >> Hank

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> Yes, they are called MEXICANS!

In california state government, Cal Trans for instance, on touring their 9 story building, (about half the desks empty but with coffee cups full of two day old coffee)… I met very latino’s. The staff population was close to 100% american, blacks and whites on the first floor public offices. The 12 stories above at a guess was close to 100% asian, philipino, korean and chinese, most not fluent in english, some couldnt understand my questions at all,      Those will retire after 20 years at around 35,000 dollars a year…in 10 more years they can retire at 60,000 to 100,000 dollars a year. (the current average american retirement after 45 yearsm at age 65 averages 900 dollars a month…. parking tickets in SF calif are 85 dollars… the last meter maid that ticketed me didnt speak english) I waiting outside of the Marin county corporate offices yesterday at shift change…  about 20 chinese guys passed me on their way out, they could have been native americans but I doubt it… a few were speaking mandarin….only two or three obvious americans passed me, in suits they looked like attorneys. Government is going broke… the middle class tax base is collapsing for 5 years now, but even before that govt was hiring green card people predominantly it appears. Phil Scott – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> I’m surprised to still see these people showing up in >> Immigration fora >> claiming the Illegals and other 3rd-World Stormtroopers >> are here to >> take jobs Americans don’t want. That is straight-up >> bullshit for all >> of us old enough to remember our communities before >> Illegals and >> visa-hires showed up, that’s something we personally know >> not to be >> the case. Those readers who are younger should engage >> their >> imaginations a little bit and realize that Americans have >> always done >> every sort of job. The only time they could not afford to >> do them was >> during periods of, you guessed it, high immigration. You >> stop the >> immigration, wages float back up, and Americans come in to >> get them. >> That’s how it’s worked for over 200 years. >> The only practical effect of supporting Illegals and visa >> workers is >> to lower wages and make all of us poorer. There IS no >> benefit. It’s as >> simple as that. Persons who come on here talking like >> libertarian >> business wonks, making light of other people’s >> unemployment or reduced >> incomes, well, they are just bad apples. >> Here is an interesting report from an APR frontpage link: >> http://www.gopusa.com/news/2005/november/1123_immigration_ad.shtml >> Foreign Workers Taking Jobs Americans Want, Group’s Ad >> Says >> By Melanie Hunter >> CNSNews.com Senior Editor >> November 23, 2005 >> (CNSNews.com) — A coalition of trade groups has launched >> a television >> ad campaign to address immigration and the notion that >> "foreign >> workers do jobs Americans won’t do." >> The Coalition for the Future American Worker (CFAW) said >> its campaign >> is directed at President Bush and features blue-collar and >> service >> employees urging the president to cut the number of >> foreign workers >> allowed to enter the country. Bush has praised foreign >> labor for >> taking jobs Americans won’t do, but that’s a fallacy, the >> group said. >> "This public education campaign is long overdue. Hardly >> anybody is >> standing up for American workers and blue-collar families >> any more," >> said CFAW spokesman Roy Beck. >> "Yet, they are the ones disproportionately affected by >> these >> uninhibited flows of foreign labor. Americans’ wages are >> being >> depressed, their jobs are being taken and they’re helpless >> to do much >> about it," Beck added. >> In the commercial’s opening scene, an unemployed man is >> sitting on the >> back steps of a middle-class home, saying "President Bush >> says foreign >> workers do jobs Americans won’t do. Mr. President, I’ll do >> that job." >> Then the words "12 million Americans can’t find a full >> time job" are >> featured on the screen. >> A hotel worker then tells Bush "if immigration increases, >> we’ll have >> more foreign workers who will work for next to nothing. I >> need to make >> enough to feed my family." That is followed by a screen >> saying that >> foreign workers depress U.S. wages. The ad offers >> "educational facts >> throughout." >> According to Beck, all the jobs that are usually filled in >> high >> numbers by foreigners were recently filled by Americans. >> "The massive influx of foreign workers has collapsed one >> occupation >> after another so that they no longer provide middle-class >> wages and >> benefits," Beck said. >> For example, he said the meat packing industry once paid >> "good middle >> class wages" but after discovering that there is "an >> endless supply" >> of foreigners to fill those jobs, the industry has >> "dramatically" cut >> wages and safety conditions. >> "It’s really a shame. Our misguided immigration policies >> are causing >> American workers to lose wages and eventually their jobs," >> Beck said. >> "The size of the flow of foreign workers into this country >> is >> unprecedented and undermining our entire middle-class >> society." >> I suggest emailing this article to your friends. > Hank

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m surprised to still see these people showing up in Immigration fora > claiming the Illegals and other 3rd-World Stormtroopers are here to > take jobs Americans don’t want. That is straight-up bullshit for all > of us old enough to remember our communities before Illegals and > visa-hires showed up, that’s something we personally know not to be > the case. Those readers who are younger should engage their > imaginations a little bit and realize that Americans have always done > every sort of job. The only time they could not afford to do them was > during periods of, you guessed it, high immigration. You stop the > immigration, wages float back up, and Americans come in to get them. > That’s how it’s worked for over 200 years. > The only practical effect of supporting Illegals and visa workers is > to lower wages and make all of us poorer. There IS no benefit. It’s as > simple as that. Persons who come on here talking like libertarian > business wonks, making light of other people’s unemployment or reduced > incomes, well, they are just bad apples. > Here is an interesting report from an APR frontpage link: > http://www.gopusa.com/news/2005/november/1123_immigration_ad.shtml > Foreign Workers Taking Jobs Americans Want, Group’s Ad Says > By Melanie Hunter > CNSNews.com Senior Editor > November 23, 2005 > (CNSNews.com) — A coalition of trade groups has launched a television > ad campaign to address immigration and the notion that "foreign > workers do jobs Americans won’t do." > The Coalition for the Future American Worker (CFAW) said its campaign > is directed at President Bush and features blue-collar and service > employees urging the president to cut the number of foreign workers > allowed to enter the country. Bush has praised foreign labor for > taking jobs Americans won’t do, but that’s a fallacy, the group said. > "This public education campaign is long overdue. Hardly anybody is > standing up for American workers and blue-collar families any more," > said CFAW spokesman Roy Beck. > "Yet, they are the ones disproportionately affected by these > uninhibited flows of foreign labor. Americans’ wages are being > depressed, their jobs are being taken and they’re helpless to do much > about it," Beck added. > In the commercial’s opening scene, an unemployed man is sitting on the > back steps of a middle-class home, saying "President Bush says foreign > workers do jobs Americans won’t do. Mr. President, I’ll do that job." > Then the words "12 million Americans can’t find a full time job" are > featured on the screen. > A hotel worker then tells Bush "if immigration increases, we’ll have > more foreign workers who will work for next to nothing. I need to make > enough to feed my family." That is followed by a screen saying that > foreign workers depress U.S. wages. The ad offers "educational facts > throughout." > According to Beck, all the jobs that are usually filled in high > numbers by foreigners were recently filled by Americans. > "The massive influx of foreign workers has collapsed one occupation > after another so that they no longer provide middle-class wages and > benefits," Beck said. > For example, he said the meat packing industry once paid "good middle > class wages" but after discovering that there is "an endless supply" > of foreigners to fill those jobs, the industry has "dramatically" cut > wages and safety conditions. > "It’s really a shame. Our misguided immigration policies are causing > American workers to lose wages and eventually their jobs," Beck said. > "The size of the flow of foreign workers into this country is > unprecedented and undermining our entire middle-class society." > I suggest emailing this article to your friends.

Hank

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Yes, they are called MEXICANS!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m surprised to still see these people showing up in Immigration fora > claiming the Illegals and other 3rd-World Stormtroopers are here to > take jobs Americans don’t want. That is straight-up bullshit for all > of us old enough to remember our communities before Illegals and > visa-hires showed up, that’s something we personally know not to be > the case. Those readers who are younger should engage their > imaginations a little bit and realize that Americans have always done > every sort of job. The only time they could not afford to do them was > during periods of, you guessed it, high immigration. You stop the > immigration, wages float back up, and Americans come in to get them. > That’s how it’s worked for over 200 years. > The only practical effect of supporting Illegals and visa workers is > to lower wages and make all of us poorer. There IS no benefit. It’s as > simple as that. Persons who come on here talking like libertarian > business wonks, making light of other people’s unemployment or reduced > incomes, well, they are just bad apples. > Here is an interesting report from an APR frontpage link: > http://www.gopusa.com/news/2005/november/1123_immigration_ad.shtml > Foreign Workers Taking Jobs Americans Want, Group’s Ad Says > By Melanie Hunter > CNSNews.com Senior Editor > November 23, 2005 > (CNSNews.com) — A coalition of trade groups has launched a television > ad campaign to address immigration and the notion that "foreign > workers do jobs Americans won’t do." > The Coalition for the Future American Worker (CFAW) said its campaign > is directed at President Bush and features blue-collar and service > employees urging the president to cut the number of foreign workers > allowed to enter the country. Bush has praised foreign labor for > taking jobs Americans won’t do, but that’s a fallacy, the group said. > "This public education campaign is long overdue. Hardly anybody is > standing up for American workers and blue-collar families any more," > said CFAW spokesman Roy Beck. > "Yet, they are the ones disproportionately affected by these > uninhibited flows of foreign labor. Americans’ wages are being > depressed, their jobs are being taken and they’re helpless to do much > about it," Beck added. > In the commercial’s opening scene, an unemployed man is sitting on the > back steps of a middle-class home, saying "President Bush says foreign > workers do jobs Americans won’t do. Mr. President, I’ll do that job." > Then the words "12 million Americans can’t find a full time job" are > featured on the screen. > A hotel worker then tells Bush "if immigration increases, we’ll have > more foreign workers who will work for next to nothing. I need to make > enough to feed my family." That is followed by a screen saying that > foreign workers depress U.S. wages. The ad offers "educational facts > throughout." > According to Beck, all the jobs that are usually filled in high > numbers by foreigners were recently filled by Americans. > "The massive influx of foreign workers has collapsed one occupation > after another so that they no longer provide middle-class wages and > benefits," Beck said. > For example, he said the meat packing industry once paid "good middle > class wages" but after discovering that there is "an endless supply" > of foreigners to fill those jobs, the industry has "dramatically" cut > wages and safety conditions. > "It’s really a shame. Our misguided immigration policies are causing > American workers to lose wages and eventually their jobs," Beck said. > "The size of the flow of foreign workers into this country is > unprecedented and undermining our entire middle-class society." > I suggest emailing this article to your friends. > Hank

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